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Lack of Power Level/Scaling consistency in Super
Topic Started: May 1 2017, 12:57 AM (2,608 Views)
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Whether it is Android 17 somehow being able to match Super Saiyan Blue Goku or Gohan being a lot weaker than he actually he is, there seems to be a strange lack of consistency in regards to Dragon Ball Super. I don't know if this has been posted before but Super seems to ignore consistency in regards to Power Scaling/Power Levels as some of the characters are either weaker or stronger than they actually are. I know 17 shouldn't be that strong but I could be wrong about that and it could be that Toei/Toriyama/Toyotaro doesn't really care about consistency. What do you think about the power scaling/power level consistency in Super?

Edit: I am sorry if I sound overly negative about Super but I really want Super to be better and Suer is really souring me to the idea of a sequel to Z.
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Honestly unless it's really obvious that a fight has some weird power level stuff going on then I don't think it should matter. The main goal is entertainment, not to make complete sense. I know preferably you'd have have both but unless it's very clear that something is wrong with the power scaling it shouldn't make you hate the series. My opinion
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Yeah that consistency is horrible.. not much we can do. DBZ didnt aways have the best consistency but you always had a decent idea of where everyones power was at and most times it was fairly logical.
In super every episode has its own logic and for the most part its a guessing game.. not ideal but i guess we just have to take it for what it is.
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Thala na Gethu!

I am the minority here, just as in Kanzenshuu Forum, Lowyat Anime Forum etc

I do not regard Pork to Palace just cuz Toriyama says

I dont group myself in AT's d*ckridin bandwagon that believes/trusts whatever Toriyama purges out without a grain of salt

Well, I did all those till Mid Buu Arc. And u know how Power Scaling & stuff went down the consistency drain & the series has never been da same ever since (classic Pan~Vegito comparison & stuff😂)

I suggest you to just view all the stuffs you mentioned at superficial level & move on
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I agree with what Billa said.

A lot of these fights seem to be PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity). Such events shouldn't really have much effect on the overall hierarchy of the Z Fighters.

On the bright side, what we've somewhat lost in consistency of power we gained in development of certain characters. I dare say DBS surpasses DBZ (or at least late DBZ) in terms of character development. :D
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Base vegeta > ssj 3 gotenks >Piccolo > ssj gohan = ssj goku = ssj vegeta

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And krillin could make goku boost his khh.

:/

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Trunks suddenly stronger than vegito...

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Super should only be taken at entertainment value, not rational value. Sure Dragonball had its problems, but Super is a different animal.
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The biggest problems come from the fact that people are treating obvious filler on the same level as the Dragon Ball manga.

When Mr Popo can hold off SSj Goten and Trunks, people disregard it because it's just filler. When base Vegeta beats SSj3 Gotenks, it's the centre of all Super power level discussion.
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May 3 2017, 12:50 PM
The biggest problems come from the fact that people are treating obvious filler on the same level as the Dragon Ball manga.

When Mr Popo can hold off SSj Goten and Trunks, people disregard it because it's just filler. When base Vegeta beats SSj3 Gotenks, it's the centre of all Super power level discussion.
What counts as filler? It isn't so obvious sometimes. Like the Goku and Gohan fight before, which might even be referenced in the upcoming fight, sounds like filler right now but could turn out to be valid all along.

There's no original manga to decide what's filler outright. Until Toyotaro's manga gets ahead, who knows, maaaaaaan.
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I think a good rule of thumb is whether something is in both the anime and the manga. If it is then it was in toryama's original script

But why should we picking apart the series and saying "this is canon, this isn't"? Toriyama's original script isn't the actual product we get it's just a rough draft
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Ssj3vegito96
May 3 2017, 05:10 PM
I think a good rule of thumb is whether something is in both the anime and the manga. If it is then it was in toryama's original script

But why should we picking apart the series and saying "this is canon, this isn't"? Toriyama's original script isn't the actual product we get it's just a rough draft
>Resurrection F Arc

The Anime is the original source material for Super, the Manga is just an adaptation, so everything should be counted. It's like Bleach; the Fullbring Arc feels like total filler, but it's actually canon, so regardless of it feeling like it's filler, it isn't.
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The manga isn't an adaptation of the anime, really. It's an alternate path from Toriyama's original outline. Think of Super as a two-pronged fork with Toriyama's outline as the starting point and then the anime and manga divulging separately from that.

Although one side of the fork has far more input from Toriyama himself.
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People have addressed the lack of consistency in regards to the power scaling many times. I, however, think it's needlessly vague, more so than inconsistent. I've made attempts to scale Super, and I've had to patch it to Hell and back with fan theories.
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May 3 2017, 06:43 PM
People have addressed the lack of consistency in regards to the power scaling many times. I, however, think it's needlessly vague, more so than inconsistent. I've made attempts to scale Super, and I've had to patch it to Hell and back with fan theories.
Same.

It's really making it hard to suspend my disbelief.

The two base theory is all I've got.

Resurrection F really makes it hard because ssj Gohan <<<< first form Freeza and he's probably beyond ssj3 Gotenks as well otherwise why not use him? But then base Goku = true form Freeza (a 240 times boost in the Namek arc) and then Cabba can match an even stronger base Vegeta. It's just nonsensical. Why introduce a transformation capable of competing with a universal level god and then make it laughable a few months later?
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May 4 2017, 01:40 AM
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May 3 2017, 06:43 PM
People have addressed the lack of consistency in regards to the power scaling many times. I, however, think it's needlessly vague, more so than inconsistent. I've made attempts to scale Super, and I've had to patch it to Hell and back with fan theories.
Same.

It's really making it hard to suspend my disbelief.

The two base theory is all I've got.

Resurrection F really makes it hard because ssj Gohan <<<< first form Freeza and he's probably beyond ssj3 Gotenks as well otherwise why not use him? But then base Goku = true form Freeza (a 240 times boost in the Namek arc) and then Cabba can match an even stronger base Vegeta. It's just nonsensical. Why introduce a transformation capable of competing with a universal level god and then make it laughable a few months later?
That's pretty much what happened with regular Super Saiyan, too.
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